Tony Strickland outside of his office in Santa Barbara in 2009 (SB Independent/Paul Wellman)
Here is a recording of a robocall received today by a voter in the 25th Congressional district, touting Tony Strickland's pro-gun stances, voting record, and support from organizations like the NRA.
The timing could hardly be more tasteless. Just yesterday, a UCSB student shot over a dozen people and killed six (three by stabbing) – most of them fellow students. Tony Strickland actually represented Santa Barbara and Isla Vista in the State Senate until late 2012, and many of these victims were likely former constituents of Strickland's.
For a sobering perspective on yesterday's tragedy, here is a statement by Richard Martinez, whose son Christopher was killed yesterday:
** Update: some readers have reported that the Soundcloud player isn't working on mobile devices. Here is a link to the page itself, which might work for some. Alternately, I've transcribed the call here:
Protect our gun rights, vote for Tony Strickland for Congress. Tony Strickland has a history of protecting our 2nd Amendment rights and will do the same in Congress, Tony Strickland was a founding member of the NRA Member Council and former California Rifle and Pistol Association Legislator of the Year.
Tony has been a longtime supporter of the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms and will continue to oppose, and actively fight, any legislation that would take away our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. As the founder of the Freedom Firearms Coalition and with a lifetime 'A' rating from the NRA, we can count on Tony Strickland to protect our constitutional rights.
On June 3rd, vote for Tony Strickland for Congress. This call was paid for by Strickland for Congress.
The only thing chilling about this is the degree to which a partisan clown is willing to be partisan clown and use tragedy and grief for partisan gain.
The conservative equivalent of this would be to use all the Drug War related deaths that have happened and refer to liberal candidate's rally to a pro legalization base as 'chilling' - as if - as if being against the Drug War somehow meant that you were 'totally okay' with thousands of murders and kidnappings. Like Bestiat said, it's as if we were to be accused of not wanting people to eat, b/c we don't want the state to raise grain." It really is pathetic.
We need to protect ALL rights, across the board, and not use the club of state violence to control other people. We need to protect our gun rights and our rights to ingest what we want. And enough with this mind numbing partisan dogma, it won't be soon enough if it ever ends.
Don't worry if it does happen to your kid if you have one or a very close family member you will have a good wisdom to respond to a tragedy like this and all your right. Lets keep our fingers cross for that day.
An unthinking response that explains absolutely nothing and doesn't overthrow any of the valid points I brought up into this discussion. Shame on your sorry self for using a tragedy to make a political point.
No, the equivalent would be a call for pro-legalization a day after a house with 12 people who overdosed on heroin was discovered. The fact you cannot recognize the distinction in your example should make you pause the next time you decide to write something on the Internet.
That's the same thing. Someone dies b/c the item in question was part of a supported ban or prohibitive law. You don't blame the right to use or do these things just b/c someone is crazy and abuses it.
Are you aware Windy, that the absence of gun control laws and the absence of drug control laws are both traditional LIBERTARIAN traditions. Drug control laws arise out of the Progressive tradition of government regulations making life better and more safe for its citizens. The Prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century, for example, was a Progressive or Liberal action.
What's got you confused, Windy, is that liberals don't think society should be making that same alcohol-Prohibition mistake again with respect to marijuana. That doesn't apply to other drugs. Anything goes with drugs is like with guns, a LIBERTARIAN position, not a Liberal one.
Let's keep things straight.
I am aware my friend, I was only citing what also happens to be the conservative and liberal positions cross gun control and drug legalization as examples. It's the best way to talk to people that are brainwashed by false left and right politics. I am 100% libertarian like you, and I too know that liberals support the right to your body only superficially and not philosophically; if they did, they'd be libertarians b/c to understand your beliefs philosophically would mean to discard the contradictions which would lead to supporting rights in totality.
Strickland, like so many of his his supporters, seems to suffer from "Aggrieved White Male Syndrome:" Poor pitiful me, I want what I want when I want it and I want it now and if I can't get it, it's everyone else's fault and I therefore have a right to act out my frustrated sense of entitlement on others. The tragedy comes when some people, like the kid in SB, take that thinking to its logical limit - not only blame others for their lack of self-worth, but literally kill them.
It is sad that the victims father chose to bring up the NRA as the big issue in his son's death. He gets a huge pass on that issue due to his understandable grief. Strickland's campaign was just boneheaded. Not likely the intent was to exploit the issue.
I already have an idea to the answers to these questions but these must be asked and answered to get a true understanding:
The first three were murdered with a knife. If the murderer had no gun would he not have killed the rest by knife?
What kind of religious/moral teaching did the murderer get in his life?
What was his father's role in his moral upbringing?
His father stated that he is anti gun. Was this stance shared with his son? If so why did it not prevent the shooting?
I think of the Boy Scout program where boys are taught to grow up to be moral men. They are also taught how to safely use guns. Someone will probably find a rare exception, but how many of these youth mass murderers had a Boy Scout or similar upbringing?
Let's get to the real root of the problem. Not just a knee jerk reaction toward the NRA.
How about a REAL apology from Strickland personally, for having had the insensitivity to let the robo-calls run after the tragedy. And then after all the public disgust, he STILL hasn't suspended the calls for a period of mourning. There's just no excuse for either of these failures.
You nailed it! I am an Eagle Scout and was taught at an early age how to responsibly handle firearms.
Now in my 30's I carry everyday and hope to God I never have to use my weapon but am trained and prepared to do so. Our right to keep and bear arms is paramount and those that want to take it away project their insecurities about guns on others.
It's very sad what happened in Isla Vista but had that been a local market I was at I'm prepared to fight back to try and save the lives of myself and others. Society is safer with people like me.
You pass by me in the grocery store and don't know I have a tool on my person that could protect you from evil such as this.
Two of mass shootings that occurred during the past 3 years occurred in facilities filled with men carrying firearms. It didn't stop them and never has. Firearms in the home kill family members more than 90% of the time. Other than that, almost always visiting friends. Intruders? Less than 1%.
You gun-carry people have some sad impotent need to walk around with an erect tool ready to shoot off. Maybe you should get some Viagra to help you with your problem.
I don't have a problem. What I have is a love for human life unlike these monsters.
Who do we call when trouble occurs? We call the police - because they have guns. I know it's a crazy concept but think about that for a moment.
When seconds count it's better to have a good guy with a gun then wait for the police to show up.
Saying I am already carrying an "erect tool" is ignorant.
Again I carry because I cherish human life and love others - even anti gunners as yourself.
I am an adult who spends hundreds of dollars each month practicing and taking classes where I am surrounded by police and responsible individuals such as myself. I don't take carrying a gun lightly and hope other anti-gunners would give me the same respect they give law enforcement.
You never know, one day one of us responsible individuals may save your life or someone you care about.
A quick Google search comes up with four serial killers that were EAGLE Scouts. John Joubert (Google that for some really blood chilling stuff) was a Scout leader in Bellevue, Nebraska where he committed the paper boy abductions and murders.
No indictment on the Scouts, since they obviously don't have anything in their program that promotes serial killing, but NOTHING is the inoculation that will stop these lightning strikes from happening other than law enforcement and community vigilance since it is impossible to profile the really out there crazies, unless we want to just lock up every male between the ages of 18 and 35, which having two of those is not without appeal.
Congratulations, you found the exceptions that I already acknowledged would likely exist. I still believe that as a nation we are failing our boys. As a rule they are not being brought up to be men with moral values like we were. There is more of a sense of entitlement that leads to the narcicistic behavior if this A-hole who seeks random revenge over his perceived snubs.
Unlike Jim, I am one baby boomer who doesn't have this false view of the utopian nature of the past. (Also I am a lot younger than Jim, or at least look a lot younger! :) There were plenty of downright A-holes and scary guys at my college with similar profiles to Eliot Rodger who miraculously didn't shoot the place up or stab people to death. Maybe the only difference now is the existence of the internet where these cats can find mutual dark support (i.e. Facebook page stating that Rodger was an "American Hero." ) that riles up their problems
Boy Scouts don't kill people; they just discriminate against those people who happen to be gay and
let the pedophiles hold an office for years.
Frankly, there are ALL races and religions buried in Eternal Valley, and I think it is wrong to arbitrarily
stick a cross into someone's grave without the expressed permission of the deceased survivors.
I did NOT attend this ceremony. I did once and will not return. Instead I went to a Church where
I offered thanks to the Creator for theirs and my Service to our Country. From what I experienced
and have seen posted on the internet, the Eternal Valley event is in reality a gathering of Republican Politicians glad-handing each other, similar to the mayors prayer breakfast.
I'm surprised they weren't pounding Strickland Posters into the graves!
Did somebody mention Boy Scouts as moral leaders? You came out OK because you were a Boy Scout and not a serial killer? Good for you! Let's leave generalities, Boy Scouts, good fathers, etc. out of this. Don't blame his parents. When they became aware of their son's deadly plan, the parents alerted the authorities and were rushing to Santa Barbara to prevent a tragedy. Their son was mentally ill and he had a cache of guns and ammunition. Deal with it . thttp://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/04/15676325-new-lawsuit-claims-boy-scouts-failed-to-stop-pedophile-in-midwest?lite